'Mike Snorbens? Are you taking the time to type 'Sigh' because I have annoyed you in some way?' No, you haven't annoyed me.

Its just that there appear to be a lot of gamers who seem to think that just because it says (say) 'rules for 15mm war games' on the cover you can't use them for any other scale. If you are not one of them, then I apologise for the sigh! For the record I happen to think that Stargrunt II with a few modifications are excellent for WW2 games up to platoon level. 16 Jan 2008 3:51 p.m. PST. You can help playtest my game, Over There!, and you get the rules for free.

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We have a Yahoo group: It plays quick and accurate, rewarding real world tactics and historical combat doctrine. Other little gribblies: No modifiers, no charts, no paperwork. Fast play that acts like a zoom lense to focus on the parts of the battlefield you are most interested in. Detailed, allowing each soldier to act of his own free will (kick down doors, drop grenades out windows, leap over walls and cover his buddies).

Realistic outcomes (everything from tank armour thickness to casualty results). Fun, ORIGINAL game mechanics (!) Join the group and start chucking dice!

-AM 17 Jan 2008 11:49 a.m. PST. @Quadratus, welcome aboard. The v2.4 core rulebook is in the download section (the last full version), and the v2.5 update document is found there too (we are currently playtesting v2.5 very thoroughly). The game covers everything from 1900 to 2020, but don't be dissuaded by the 'near future' soldiers, the majority of supplements I've released for the game relate to WW2 (including a German motor pool with over 70 vehicles, and a Soviet and US motor pool with something like 30 or 40 vehicles).

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18 Jan 2008 3:50 a.m. PST. A lot of the games mentioned are not true 'skirmish' games. They are 'small unit' games -- there is a difference. Super concept and relatively inexpensive Patrol A lot of stuff / great ideas here.

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More expensive but.. Might be worth it for what you get. Over There Shows a lot of promise.

Probably my favorite true skirmish game right now but I must say I haven't played it much and my experience is with infantry only. The price is right -- free download. Do yourself a favor and get a copy before the author wises up and starts selling them. 18 Jan 2008 2:35 p.m. PST. Combat painter wrote: 'Rules of Engagement? Only good if you are into losing your whole squad on the first die roll or the last. Go with…' I think you have Rules of Engagement mixed up with another set of rules.

There is one set of rules in particular that often delivers silly casualties. RoE is not THAT set of rules. I've played Rules of Engagement more than a bit and will be presenting a RoE game at Enfilade-2008 if anyone want's to take a look (will be an 8 hour game divided into two 4 hour segments). The Enfilade scenario features considerable potential for ambushes and unexpected attacks from unexpected quarters. It has been play tested 3-4 times so far (probably 30 hours of gaming by several different people). If there was ever an opportunity/situation to get your entire squad wiped out, this game certainly provides a setting for that kind of occurrence.

In all of that 30 hours, I can only recall one incident where a squad was wiped out in a couple of turns. The player controlling the squad wanted to expose some of his opponent's hidden positions and didn't really care about the squad he sent in to expose those positions. The unfortunate scouts went trudging across an open field into a cross fire from two heavy machine gun positions. The first turn the squad took fire, IIRC, the 10 or 11 man squad only took a couple of casualties but were shaken by all the incoming fire.

The second turn the squad passed it's morale test and managed to return enough fire on one of the HMG's, such that the HMG crew was forced to cease firing -- no casualties on the HMG crew IIRC. It was at this point continuing fire was received from the other HMG, new fire from the main gun of a tank, and new fire from half a panzer grenadier squad. After that hail of fire (unit caught in a cross fire while located in an open field) the squad was reduced to a single individual (who was last seen thumbing a ride to Moscow). Where Rules of Engagement is concerned the above action is not typical but can happen.

If you take the trouble to use a little cover in your approach and pick on something that does not have 4 times your fire power, you generally last quite a bit longer. In the above described scenario, one of the scout squads has gone through the entire game each and every time, once without a scratch (which included an infantry assault on a tank), once with 4 figs remaining and once with 2 figs remaining. I'm not sure how many RoE turns were played in these 8 hour games but I would venture probably at least 20 and maybe 30+. So it is possible to play the game and not suffer so much as a single loss (also not typical), or with a few survivors after heavy fighting -- which is typical in my experience. Mjc 19 Jan 2008 12:50 a.m. PST. Take a look at Beer and Pretzels Skirmish, commonly referred to as BAPS.